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Old May 19, 2006, 12:49 PM // 12:49   #1
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Life Siphon 10,2,2 (Blood)
Life Transfer 10,2,30 (Blood) {E}
Vampiric Swarm 15,3,10 (Blood)
Shadow Strike 10,2,8 (Blood)
Vampiric Gaze 10,1,5 (Blood)
Malise 5,2,2 (Curses)
Parasitic Bond 5,1,2 (Curses)
Arcane Echo 15,2,30 (No Attrib)

Averages Cost 10
Average Casting Time 1.875
Average Recharge 11.125




The concept here is all life stealing and self healing. I actually could use a hand with this one b/c I feel there's something I'm not seeing.

Life Siphon and Life Transfer are basics degen/regen skills for stealing. Life Transfer is just a more effective way of saying "Gotcha", but it carries a steep 30sec recharge on it. Arcane Echo is on the bar to reduce that.

Vamp Gaze is just a quick life stealing move. Vamp Swarm is on the bar for a spike in healing.

Malise looks out of place, but it actually serves a purpose. I use Malise in conjunction with Life Siphon. This makes it more difficult for the target to heal themself while under your chain of life stealing attacks.

Parasitic bond is my disposable hex. It's a nice move to set and forget. The -1 degen is nothing, but the bump in energy that follows is nice.


Shadow Strike (or Lifebane Strike) is one that I'm not so sure on. I wanted a direct damage move that can be used to steal life or just deal spell damage.

N E Rate.. it's a work in progress, so any feedback would be appreciated.
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Old May 19, 2006, 01:43 PM // 13:43   #2
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First off, let me say not bad.

Your concept of life stealing and self-healing is good, but not all of your skills show that.

Life Siphon, Life Transfer (e), Vampiric Gaze and Parasitic Bond are good.

Parasitic Bond gives you life once it ends, not energy.

Malise drains you of health, if you want to drain someone of energy, use wither instead. If you do, you must drop Life Transfer, as its and Elite.

The list of spells you have, I'm guessing you are a Cathan character, not from Tyria. If so, you must go to Tyria and get Wither. Wither has a shorter recharge time than Life Transfer, and drains 1 target of health and energy. But it does not transfer either one to you.

Vampiric Gaze/Vampiric Touch (Tyria) - bad thing is you must touch foe to do this. Do you want to get that close to the enemy?

Vampric Swarm is good as a first attack. But very slow. If you can get Unholy Feast, but the recharge time is very bad.

Mark of Subversion is very good - interupts offensive spell (only 1) and steals health once it does (hex spell - lasts 4 - 9 seconds)

If you don't use any sacrifice skills, get Awaken the Blood (raises blood and curses by 2 levels for 20 - 39 seconds)

If you can get Suffering (curses) then take Oppresive Gaze for good health stealing.

Emergency use only - Blood Drinker (steals 20 - 56 life 5/2/8)

Soul Leach (E) is excellent if you are going against spell casters (steals life everytime target foe casts a spell)

Life Strike/Shadow Strike are pretty good. Good for a second spell before they go below 1/2 max health.

Have you concered Well of Suffering or Well of Blood? I wouldn't really bother with Well of Power sine you most likely won't run out of energy.

I've never tried this, but is it possible to have the same skill twice? Not using echo or archane echo. I mean Vampiric Bite & Vampiric Touch. Have both together, and use suffering with insidious parasite. Walk up to a melee monster and get healed for each time s/he hits you and then use vampiric touch, then vampiric bite, then vampiric touch, etc. The energy cost is high, but you'll be perfectly healthy and they will be dead.

As you said, your build is a work in progress. So, let us know what skills you have decided on (once you get all of them )

But those were my suggestions. I have a blood drinker build (but no Cathan skills yet).

I don't use any touch skills, as I like to stay away from the fray if I can.

You also didn't mention what are your attributes. What are they?
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Old May 19, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08   #3
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Parasitic Bond gives you life once it ends, not energy.
Typo on my behalf. I said energy, but meant health energy (rather HP). I use that all the time in builds as a disposable hex b/c even if it's removed prematurely, the bump in HP is nice.


I'm actually a Tyrian who migrated to Cantha.. just an FYI before I finish responding.


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Malise drains you of health, if you want to drain someone of energy, use wither instead. If you do, you must drop Life Transfer, as its and Elite.
I want to keep Life Transfer on as my elite. Although I have wither, I use that in a pure degen build that I have. Malise was another point I couldn't shake.



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The list of spells you have, I'm guessing you are a Cathan character, not from Tyria. If so, you must go to Tyria and get Wither. Wither has a shorter recharge time than Life Transfer, and drains 1 target of health and energy. But it does not transfer either one to you.
Yeah, that's why I kept wither outta this build. But it is my preferred degen skill


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Vampiric Gaze/Vampiric Touch (Tyria) - bad thing is you must touch foe to do this. Do you want to get that close to the enemy?
Gaze always = distance. I never use Vamp Touch/Bite.

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Vampric Swarm is good as a first attack. But very slow. If you can get Unholy Feast, but the recharge time is very bad.
Another Skill I considered dropping




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If you don't use any sacrifice skills, get Awaken the Blood (raises blood and curses by 2 levels for 20 - 39 seconds)
Thought about it....


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If you can get Suffering (curses) then take Oppresive Gaze for good health stealing.
Oppressive Gaze requires them to suffer from weakness. I'd need to have an Enfeebling curse equipped to make Oppressive work.


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Emergency use only - Blood Drinker (steals 20 - 56 life 5/2/8)
Actually a considered skill, but the problem is if Parasitic bond ends prematurely, I begin bleeding.


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Soul Leach (E) is excellent if you are going against spell casters (steals life everytime target foe casts a spell)
Like Backfire for Necros. A good skill, but I wanted to go more with using Life Transfer



[QUOTE=Pick Me]Life Strike/Shadow Strike are pretty good. Good for a second spell before they go below 1/2 max health. {quote]

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Have you concered Well of Suffering or Well of Blood? I wouldn't really bother with Well of Power sine you most likely won't run out of energy.
Suffering, Profane, and Weariness are wells that enemies notice and flee from. Hence the reason I try not to use them too much. But they are good skills.


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I've never tried this, but is it possible to have the same skill twice?
Many Canthan SKills are just Tyrian Skills renamed. Lifeband Strike (Cantha) = Shadow Strike (Tyria). So long as teh skills have different names, you can equip both to your skill bar.


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You also didn't mention what are your attributes. What are they?

Figuring skills before attributes. Sounds like horse before carriage to some, but I'm trying to limit it to 2-3 areas.

With an N/Me, I'm thinking Curses, Blood, and Soul Reaping.. but maybe dipping into Inspiration (Channeling) for some additional Energy Management. I usually go 10 in everything except Soul Reaping. I find about 10 is where you start to hit diminishing return on most skills. With Degen or time based skills, I only bump to the point where the effect lasts long enough and does teh best degen/regen for the points spent. If you look at skills like Life Transfer (http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Life_Transfer) You'll see that some jumps (like from 9 to 10) don't make a difference. At either lvl 9 or 10, life transfer only does 10 second duration and 6 degen on foe. Alot of time based skills are like that, so I figure my attributes later on.

I might start over.. not sure if this build is salvagable.
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